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As fares and fees rise, passengers want service

With the slow travel season upon them, airlines face the dual challenges of increasing revenue to cover heavy fuel costs while also improving their product to give air travelers a return on their added investment.

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{"commentId":3004214,"authorDomain":"joemyxter"}

Is the service you get from airlines in line with the price you pay for tickets? If not, what do you think airlines can do to improve customer satisfaction? Can American carriers realistically make money and keep passengers happy? Join the discussion.

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    Reply#1 - Fri Sep 19, 2008 12:56 PM EDT
    {"commentId":3007548,"authorDomain":"jolesmatt"}

    Running an airline is a license to print money.
    If the airlines are in the red, it is simply by mismanagement, stupidity, incompetence and greed.
    If they don't know how to run such a business, fire the CEOs and give the job to some other guys able to think out of the box.
    Joe.

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      #1.1 - Fri Sep 19, 2008 3:50 PM EDT
      {"commentId":3008546,"authorDomain":"LIndaLaSalla"}

      Maybe if the employees were paid for what they do, we would get better service. I feel that their salary has been frozen for 30 years. 10.00 hr. to stand at the desk and have to try to make all of us happy, which will ever happen. On the plane, unless the attendant has been there for years, are maybe making 20.00 hr.
      So we need to absolutely complain to the companies about how the employees are treated and THEN my friend, you will get better service.

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      #1.2 - Fri Sep 19, 2008 5:00 PM EDT
      {"commentId":3008585,"authorDomain":"mike-cram"}

      "Food is the easiest one for me to defend," Garton said of American's decision to charge $3 for a cookie or a can of potato chips in coach. "When you open your minibar at the hotel tonight, it's not going to be free. When you go to the movie theater, the popcorn is going to cost you more than the ticket. Giving away food for free is an unusual thing the airlines started 70 years ago, but I would argue it was all first-class service 70 years ago."

      This is simply Orwellian mind-speak. The airlines never gave anything away for free EVER! It was included in the price of the ticket. Now it is not. These guys are trying to play us for fools. The American public already subsidizes the air travel industry from plane manufacturing to bail-out of bankrupt airlines. Let's not mince words folks, it's time to make the airlines a public utility and admit free market policies don't work with public transportation.

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      #1.3 - Fri Sep 19, 2008 5:04 PM EDT
      {"commentId":3008690,"authorDomain":"mike-cram"}

      p.s. a first class customer flying at full fare pays the equivalent of $200 for that same cookie or can of potato chips. yeah, we can all afford that. this is an absurd argument and the reason the AMR will soon declare American Airline bankrupt and ask for the people of the united states to dig deep in their pockets and bail them out.

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        #1.4 - Fri Sep 19, 2008 5:11 PM EDT
        {"commentId":3008726,"authorDomain":"laschulz0309"}

        Mecro,
        It's still included in the price. They didn't reduce fares when they went to fee based airlines! So now we just get to pay double for it! Isn't that grand???

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          #1.5 - Fri Sep 19, 2008 5:14 PM EDT
          {"commentId":3008727,"authorDomain":"droyal4au"}

          Take a clue from Continental ...from the ground to in the air staff...they are the nicest and most pleasant staff of any air line. What a difference they make.

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            #1.6 - Fri Sep 19, 2008 5:15 PM EDT
            {"commentId":3009287,"authorDomain":"laurelnicole"}

            As a former gate agent for a major airline, I couldn't agree more. We all wake up each morning and go to work like everyone else. I didn't hate my job and approached it with a positive attitude as best I could. But if people would realize that weather happens. You've been bumped from your flight on a regional carrier??? You're on a SAAB. It takes more fuel to safely navigate around bad weather. Maybe you and you're fellow passengers should think about not checking everything you own including the kitchen sink. 2 to 3 bags per person and some people may not get to go. I'm sorry but if we listened to every sob story we'd get nowhere. Everyone goes to the airport for a reason. Everyone is on your flight to get to a destination. And we as employees cannot stray from corporate policy. Yes it is an inconveniece, I agree. We are merely doing our jobs. I will say there are rude agents. I will never deny that. However, we all have our moments as I'm sure you do in your jobs. But we cannot be here to hold your hand while you travel. We are here to assist you but not be responsible for your mistakes. I realize things happen. Mechanics fail...but do you really want to fly on a broken plane? I cannot tell you how many times I've heard people pretty much say I gotta go and I don't care if its broken or not. But don't schedule your connections back to back if at all possible. Delays happen. But if this trip is so important, give yourself more time. Having worked at DFW, gate changes occur every minute. Opps changes the gate assingment because there's a delayed flight or a broken plane. You're going to have to board or deplane elsewhere. It's common sense. I'm sorry. Check the monitors. ASK AN AGENT. It's idiotic to sit at a gate and there's no mention of your flight and you decide to inquire about it right when its schedule to leave. Things like that made us laugh. They were small annoyances. Honestly, we couldn't care less. And blaming me because you didn't take the responsiblity to be proactive about your flight is most definitely not my problem. We couldn't make announcements every two seconds for people who may be in passing. No one listens anymore and no one is willing to accept part of the blame.

            As far as fees go...it's unfortunate as to some of them. But this is the time we live in. Prices all over are going up.

            And for the nice passengers out there, you made my day. When rain kept passengers stranded in the DFW area for days and you realized I'm not God either, I appreciated that. It made my job more enjoyable despite the uncompetetive wage.

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              #1.7 - Fri Sep 19, 2008 5:52 PM EDT
              {"commentId":3009475,"authorDomain":"rkirkland1"}

              I fly about once/year on Delta or American or US Air and their connections/subsidiaries?; I have not had any problems in the 30 odd years I have been flying( no lost luggage, some delays, but not that problematic)... just treat us with dignity and civility....as usual.... and a few complimentary treats on short flights and more on longer ones... American flight to London from RDU was fantastic... loved the food and service was great... I love flying... a planespotter, I am....

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                #1.8 - Fri Sep 19, 2008 6:05 PM EDT
                {"commentId":3011019,"authorDomain":"munwumun"}

                Linda Lasella--If I made 10 to 20 dollars an hour I'd think I died and went to heaven. I make 7.00 an hour.

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                  #1.9 - Fri Sep 19, 2008 8:15 PM EDT
                  {"commentId":3011049,"authorDomain":"qudrcps"}

                  Nicole -

                  Regarding... "It's idiotic to sit at a gate and there's no mention of your flight and you decide to inquire about it right when its schedule to leave. Things like that made us laugh. They were small annoyances. Honestly, we couldn't care less. And blaming me because you didn't take the responsiblity to be proactive about your flight is most definitely not my problem. We couldn't make announcements every two seconds for people who may be in passing. No one listens anymore and no one is willing to accept part of the blame."

                  Girl - it's really great to hear that you are a FORMER gate agent. That's the kind of 'tude that we're talking about. If your airline had:
                  1. Posted the gate change in some visible way.
                  2. Answered the question without the attitude
                  we'd probably feel differently.

                  You were part of the problem and not the solution.

                  Don't tell me, with that attitide, you probably now work for the local Driver's License Bureau...

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                  #1.10 - Fri Sep 19, 2008 8:17 PM EDT
                  {"commentId":3048952,"authorDomain":"peg2mt"}

                  Airlines can give good service, if they want to do it. Southwest Airlines always has good customer service. I am a bit annoyed that they now give business travelers first crack at the best seats by giving them A status, though. That means that anyone else has to take the middle seats or the back of the plane. I liked it better when everyone (business travelers included) had to log in and get their boarding passes on time to get "A" status. But I still fly Southwest because the personnel treat me with respect and humor, most flights are on time and the luggage is rarely damaged. They don't charge for that first checked bag, either. I had to fly United recently and paid $30 for my bag to be checked. If I were only gone a week, a carry-on would have been enough, but I took a 3 week trip and needed the extra things in that bag! My plane was late, I missed a connection, and the food offered for sale was overpriced! From now on, if I can't fly Southwest, I will drive.

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                    #1.11 - Mon Sep 22, 2008 7:18 PM EDT
                    {"commentId":3051231,"authorDomain":"Sinuk"}

                    It was not TSA, the security protocols were entertaining and educational. It wasn't the increasing waits in line or at the gate - mild annoyances. It wasn't the airline employee who was patient, courteous and friendly while being firm. It was that patient, courteous friendly and firm employee was like a beacon standing out amidst all the not so friendly and courteous airline employees. It was listening to airline employees be untruthful about flight delays and showing lack of respect for their customer by not caring whether or not their customer believed them. It was being kept sitting in an airliner because of a mechanical problem? Nah, glad you found it, glad you are fixing it, unhappy that you confined me so you might get a better departure slot rather than allow me to relax in the terminal. It was in all the small ways the carriers showed me they did not respect my comfort, knowledge and desire to fly, and they wanted me to pay them for that? Nah! So with more than 800,000 frequent flyer air miles on my account and greater than 18 months of no air travel at present I have re-connected with folks along the US highway system who are friendly, couteous and show they value you and your business by being respectful. It is a much prettier country on the ground than at 30,000 feet in an aluminum can.

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                      #1.12 - Mon Sep 22, 2008 10:30 PM EDT
                      {"commentId":3180180,"authorDomain":"airemp"}

                      I am an airline employee with the reservations. What irks me is how passengers take their frustration and anger out onto the reservations agents. I am sick and tired of being yelled at, screamed at, or talked to in a condescending manner because I happen to be the voice on the line. Some passengers have been nice enough to acknowledge that they know I'm an innocent and it's the company itself that pisses them off, but not all do that. Stop treating us, reservations agents, like crap! We do not create ANY of the rules, policies, or regulations! We simply (and regretfully) pass messages along from corporate. If you're going to yell or threaten anybody, do it to the ones who make the rules at corporate! We get paid barely above minimum wage, and therefore, our job sucks! Not only due to the very low pay, but also due to the treatment from you guys! Please, I'm a passenger myself when I fly. I know it's frustrating, but stop blaming the agents. Start complaining to the CEOs of the companies. And trust me, we agents have NO connection to headquarters. I'm not even in the same city as headquarters.

                      Just my two cents, as I'm sick of being yelled at every single day by disgruntled passengers. Sad thing is, I'm getting all the blame but I truly cannot do anything about it.

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                      #1.13 - Sun Sep 28, 2008 12:26 AM EDT
                      {"commentId":3598366,"authorDomain":"loneagain2000"}

                      actually its more like 8.50 an hr to start a YEAR later raise to 9.50

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                        #1.14 - Mon Oct 20, 2008 8:12 PM EDT
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                        {"commentId":3005029,"authorDomain":"jmartalo"}

                        Airlines today are nothing more than busses with wings. Their service is horrible and not one of them deserve any loyalty.

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                          Reply#2 - Fri Sep 19, 2008 1:35 PM EDT
                          {"commentId":3005176,"authorDomain":"k557451"}

                          If Southwest can control its costs through aggressive hedging, certainly not a proprietary tactic, why are the execs at the other airlines still getting performance bonuses? By following their logic of reducing space in order to control costs, why don't they just cancel all flights and maximize their savings?

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                            Reply#3 - Fri Sep 19, 2008 1:42 PM EDT
                            {"commentId":3007989,"authorDomain":"gordonpaisley"}

                            Hedges aren't as easy to get as they might appear. The counterparties to options contracts want a solid financial party to deal with--which is hard for many of the other carriers. SW is in a virtuous cycle of being profitable so they can get the options to keep them profitable to keep getting the options.
                            If they did not have fuel hedged so well, they wouldn't be where they are today.

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                              #3.1 - Fri Sep 19, 2008 4:20 PM EDT
                              {"commentId":3008521,"authorDomain":"bob-rein"}

                              So...Are the execs at the other airlines not able to do what is necessary to do well? So then, why are they getting the big bucks?

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                                #3.2 - Fri Sep 19, 2008 4:58 PM EDT
                                {"commentId":3009072,"authorDomain":"local-motion2000"}

                                SW believed in hedging for the market conditions, but what really made SW stand amongst the other airlines was its balance sheet. It could afford to take large positions on energy prices that the others couldn't.

                                As SW's former CEO Herb Kellerher said, he believes airline flight will be more exclusive and cost more. The demand is definitely still there so I propose some one with enough connections in government and financial resources build a bullet train system that can satiate domestic travel demand and let flyers pay more for the service they request. There is no viable alternative and the prices for the flights people request is not viable business model.

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                                  #3.3 - Fri Sep 19, 2008 5:38 PM EDT
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                                  {"commentId":3005306,"authorDomain":"norman52"}

                                  As a longtime Alaska Airline Customer I have made the switch to Southwest. Charging for a second bag was the last straw. If Southwest can fly and make a profit why can't all the other airlines?
                                  Now if Southwest would just fly to Europe I could dump Continental and American too!

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                                    Reply#4 - Fri Sep 19, 2008 1:48 PM EDT
                                    {"commentId":3005947,"authorDomain":"hd65"}

                                    I am not happy with any of it. But mostly the hassle of getting in past security at the airport. Not to mention, with the ever increasing delays, and lack of smoking options, it is all just too much. I'd rather ride my motorcycle to my destinations. I can see much more, go where I want when I want, and I can smoke when I want. Now that my friends is the freedom we ALL use to enjoy.

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                                    Reply#5 - Fri Sep 19, 2008 2:23 PM EDT
                                    {"commentId":3010768,"authorDomain":"prx8473"}

                                    ...lack of smoking options? Are you kidding? More cities are forbidding smoking in public places and with all the airlines have to deal with...they should think of ways to accomodate people who slowly, puff by puff, kill themselves and those around them. Enjoy your bike! (wear a helmet)

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                                      #5.1 - Fri Sep 19, 2008 7:53 PM EDT
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                                      {"commentId":3006412,"authorDomain":"clj17"}

                                      If airlines are going to charge for first bag, they need to enforce the carry-on policies. As more people carry-on to avoid the fee, the overhead compartment space is filling up before everyone can get on board the plane. So you can either pay to check your bag, or pay to get a premium seat and board the plane sooner. Unfortunately, the last few flights I was on, they could have boarded the plane 10 minutes faster if not for the search for overhead compartment space.

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                                        Reply#6 - Fri Sep 19, 2008 2:48 PM EDT
                                        {"commentId":3006723,"authorDomain":"woodym1"}

                                        As a person who has had a knee replacement, (steel) I receive a full pat-down search each time I am forced by circumstances to fly. It strikes me as overly expensive these day to do such manual searches on someone who has flown commercial since 1959! Airline service? There is no service! You are just another steer in a cattle car! Move along or we'll tap you with a prod! You can't take your own food and airports really stick it to travelers with exorbitant sandwich and drink prices. In Tampa recently, I spent ten dollars for a sandwich. Turned out to be an inedible piece of garbage made in New Jersey, probably three days earlier! Oddly, Tampa is a nice airport. I feel the local governments are the main reason food is priced out of sight! (High rent, piece of the profits, no quality control)
                                        An aside; I cannot imagine smoking, particularly on my motorcycle! But I'm sure there is a clip-on ashtray on the handlebars?

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                                          Reply#7 - Fri Sep 19, 2008 3:04 PM EDT
                                          {"commentId":3033312,"authorDomain":"zink920"}

                                          I am so glad to know that I am not alone in my misery when I have to pulled aside to be patted down everytime I fly because I have two knee replacements. What a hassle. Also, since I usually travel alone for business I don't have a travel partner who can attend to my carry-on and laptop at the end of the x-ray belt while I'm ten feet away being checked for contraband. Anyone can just pick up my bag or laptop and stroll away. The staff doing the pat-down are so bored and disinterested that they are happy to let my stuff get stolen. I only fly for business. Vacations are always places I can drive to.

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                                            #7.1 - Sun Sep 21, 2008 6:50 PM EDT
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                                            {"commentId":3006848,"authorDomain":"BlueLeftHand"}

                                            Flying is an exercise in misery unless you fly first class, and even that's not even a guarantee of a flight worth the cost. The horrible seats, the crappy service, the miserable rations, the bins full of luggage, the idiot next to you blaring his iPod earphones. This nation needs high speed rail.

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                                            Reply#8 - Fri Sep 19, 2008 3:12 PM EDT
                                            {"commentId":3010480,"authorDomain":"frankpop6"}

                                            You nailed it, Kim! High Speed Rail. Europe has it. Asia has it. For many years. Why do we not?
                                            I will not fly anymore. Every - EVERY - experience in the last five years has been horrendous. I
                                            simply do not take check luggage anymore. Guess what - the attendant tells me that the bins are too full, so I will have to check MY CARRYON. This has happened three times. They didn't lose it and they didn't charge me, but I was very uneasy until I saw my CARRYON coming around the carousel.
                                            Amtrak is a dangerous joke; high speed rail is not. When the airlines start falling out of the skies
                                            because the crews are overworked and the planes are not properly maintained, maybe the putzes in Congress will take a look at what works for the rest of the world and build America a system that works.

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                                            #8.1 - Fri Sep 19, 2008 7:27 PM EDT
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                                            {"commentId":3006873,"authorDomain":"gagedave"}

                                            The services offered by the Airline Industry as a whole has made the prospect of taking more time and driving where I want to go more appealing than flying aside from time , in most cases the cost factor is about the same, unless forced to by time constraints. I have a similar problem to the fellow with the knee replacement, as I have a bunch of staples in my knee due to a Baseball injury more than 30 years ago. Not only do I get socked with all the added fees, I get to step aside and raise your hands please Sir. The personell do their best to make it as painless as possible, but why the heck can't they take the Doctor's note and leave me the hell be?

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                                              Reply#9 - Fri Sep 19, 2008 3:13 PM EDT
                                              {"commentId":3006904,"authorDomain":"reelbrat"}

                                              I have quit flying! I will probably die on this island without ever getting off it. If I want to go to the other islands I can take the supperferry. I have had a hip replacement and get the full treatment every time I fly. It sucks! If I don`t use the airlines I don`t have to worry about it.

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                                              Reply#10 - Fri Sep 19, 2008 3:14 PM EDT
                                              {"commentId":3006941,"authorDomain":"stlfriend"}

                                              If we have to pay more for flights...why must the customer service at the ticket counters, gates and on-board go down? One way to make the experience of paying more for the flight better would be to INCREASE service to the customer and lose the attitudes. Most airline employees greet you as if YOU are trying to take money out of THEIR pockets. With the current check-in technology reducing their job's necessary skill sets to sometime a monkey could do; it seems like the least that they could do is treat US like humans. Otherwise it seems like it only puts their jobs in jeopardy in the long run.

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                                                Reply#11 - Fri Sep 19, 2008 3:16 PM EDT
                                                {"commentId":3007750,"authorDomain":"cc1824-1"}

                                                I know what you mean. We almost always fly southwest but in Marhc we got stuck on an overnight flight from Vegas to Orlando on Delta, it was the worst flight I have ever been on, hot sticky, stuffy very uncomfortable. When my husband asked the stewardess to put on the air she replied its not cold go sit down, well that almost started an outrage on the plane.

                                                I will fly southwest wherever I go for at lest the seats are comfy and roomy, staff is pleasant, they have not lost my luggage nor do they charge for the 1st 2 bags of luggage, they give snacks and drinks are courteous and lets not forget on time or land early.

                                                Hooray for SOUTHWEST!!!!! Keep up the good work guys. The only way to fly. Delta blows!

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                                                  #11.1 - Fri Sep 19, 2008 4:03 PM EDT
                                                  {"commentId":3007825,"authorDomain":"christy5612"}

                                                  My husband is an airline employee for a company that has not had to add fee's. There are one of the few airlines still making money and providing great service to boot. Most of the time if customer service people have attititudes it is because the customer starts out the conversation with an attitude. The Customer is always right is not always right. Try those flying should try having a better attitide. They are trying just as hard and suffering like paying customers trust me I know.

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                                                    #11.2 - Fri Sep 19, 2008 4:08 PM EDT
                                                    {"commentId":3009541,"authorDomain":"CatrinainCA"}

                                                    I have been treated frostily and rudely on numerous occasions by both flight and ground crews. I like to think of myself as a very tolerant and reasonable person who ALSO works in the customer service industry, but, I have found customer service to be appalling at the airport 40-60% of the time. I have started to think that employees of airports have it out for me!

                                                    And furthermore, even if a customer starts out with an attitude, it is proper for the customer service professional to greet the customer with NO attitude other than a pleasant one! Hence, customer service.

                                                    Many airports in the states have forgotten that.

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                                                      #11.3 - Fri Sep 19, 2008 6:10 PM EDT
                                                      {"commentId":3598504,"authorDomain":"loneagain2000"}

                                                      u will change when swa starts to get the full oil price and start charging which will be soon delta isnt all that bad if u have an attitude u will get it back ?? or dont u think u soo perfect swa blows

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                                                        #11.4 - Mon Oct 20, 2008 8:22 PM EDT
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                                                        {"commentId":3007019,"authorDomain":"ewilliams-1"}

                                                        I have only two expectations: Get me to my destination on time as promised. Get my bags to my destination at the same time as I arrive. I get a little tired of all the excuses that airlines use to explain delays. Weather? Is the weather now that much worse than 10 or 20 years ago? I don't think so. Increased costs? Fine, charge me what it costs. I will gladly pay the real price if you can fulfill my two expectations. What other businesses fail to charge what it costs them to do their thing? Price competition from your competitors as an excuse does not make much sense as everyone is in the same boat so-to-speak. This whole industry, with maybe the exception of Southwest, has "lost their way" for their business model.

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                                                        Reply#12 - Fri Sep 19, 2008 3:21 PM EDT
                                                        {"commentId":3007032,"authorDomain":"gmckinney-1"}

                                                        I'm right with the biker (by the way, if you have a good fairing, you can smoke at 70 mph!) - I use airlines only when it is impossible to get where I need to go in the time available. If there was a sensible rail service in this country, you would never see me in an airport again. And I used to love flying - still do when it is private flying.

                                                        But the cattle chutes, complete with Taser armed Gestapo, and seats that wouldn't accommodate a kindergartener, and uncertainty as to whether you even have a seat, are intolerable. Bring back the regulated airlines - at least you had some reliable flights and quality of service.

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                                                          Reply#13 - Fri Sep 19, 2008 3:21 PM EDT
                                                          {"commentId":3007071,"authorDomain":"phillna"}

                                                          I think I can best describe POOR service by sharing my most recent flight experience. Soon after boarding had begun for my 6 p.m. flight out of LaGuardia, a tornado warning was issued for the county immediately across a narrow stretch of water from the airport. The airline (Delta) made no mention whatsoever of the warning to its passengers, but continued boarding us onto the plane as if there were no cause for alarm. I boarded because I assumed that they had a flight plan that would allow us to take off going away from the storm. Only AFTER the plane had pushed back from the gate were we told that we were about to embark on an extended cruise around the tarmack, waiting for the weather to clear and then taking our place in line for takeoff. We taxied around for over 2 hours. Moments before we finally took off we were finally told that we had been 48TH in line. Almost everyone missed their connections when we finally arrived in Cincinnati after 10:30 pm, but we were told that the airline would not pay for hotels for the stranded passengers because the delay was 'weather related.'

                                                          GOOD service in this instance would have been to wait out the TORNADO WARNING in the terminal rather than force the paying passengers to choose between riding around in a flimsy airplane on the open tarmack, or paying high fees to switch to a later flight. GOOD service would have included telling the passengers BEFORE they boarded the plane that they would be delayed on the ground for a couple of HOURS. GOOD service would have included paying for hotel rooms for those passengers who got on the flight and missed their connections. Canceling the flight would have been a more humane choice for the passengers than the inconveniences and actual risk of bodily harm we were forced to endure.

                                                          I understand that bad weather happens, and it really messes up travel schedules. But passengers should be given choices about how to deal with the delay, along with sufficient reliable information on which to base their decisions. It's our money, our time, and our safety, after all.

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                                                          Reply#14 - Fri Sep 19, 2008 3:24 PM EDT
                                                          {"commentId":3007145,"authorDomain":"BlueLeftHand"}
                                                          Only AFTER the plane had pushed back from the gate were we told that we were about to embark on an extended cruise around the tarmack,

                                                          Do you know why that happened? Because they get credit for an 'on time' flight according to what time they push away from the gate, NOT what time wheels are up and you're on your way.

                                                          They really jacked you over. Welcome to airlines industry customer service.

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                                                          #14.1 - Fri Sep 19, 2008 3:28 PM EDT
                                                          {"commentId":3008099,"authorDomain":"gordonpaisley"}

                                                          The Department of Transportation may measure on time departure, but they only metric that really matters is on-time arrival.

                                                          Consider that they may have left with the expectation that the condition could pass and they would keep their place in line and be able be wheels up close to the plan. blame the FAA for this mixed incentive. They control takeoffs and landings.

                                                          It's a perverse system regarding "the line" that makes the airlines so reluctant to give it up. You should lobby your congressman to get the rules changed so a flight can wait in a 'virtual line' at the gate instead of rolling around.

                                                          Believe me, the airline would rather use ground power from the gate than burn fuel on the tarmac to run the aircraft systems.

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                                                            #14.2 - Fri Sep 19, 2008 4:28 PM EDT
                                                            {"commentId":3009390,"authorDomain":"laurelnicole"}

                                                            Yeah, the government penalizes airlines for not leaving ontime. They are under constant scrutiny by the FAA. If we want more government involvement good things and bad things will come of it.

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                                                              #14.3 - Fri Sep 19, 2008 5:59 PM EDT
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                                                              {"commentId":3007114,"authorDomain":"gouranga"}

                                                              They could hire people with personalities. And i am not talking flight attendants. In general I have gotten excellent service from them. How about folks behind the counter who are helpful? Or just FOLKS behind the counter.

                                                              I landed in O'Hare late, missed my connection and had to run 2 terminals (1 mile) to find an American Airlines staff member to rebook. I tried the 1-800 number to get a patronizing rude person who could only tell me i had to find a person. They knew I was on the flight. They KNEW THEY ran late and I missed my connection, THEY should have put a person at the gate to help us out.

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                                                              Reply#15 - Fri Sep 19, 2008 3:27 PM EDT
                                                              {"commentId":3007425,"authorDomain":"peggie-hilles"}

                                                              Did the patronizing, rude person on the phone at least speak intelligible English? If so, consider yourself fortunate. Nothing ticks me off more than calling the airline with a question and having someone with such a thick accent I cannot even understand try to read from a pre-printed script and no real knowledge of the actual problem or procedure.

                                                              Last year we were in Los Angeles and needed to call the airline about how the forest fires and the Santa Ana winds would affect our flight the next morning. We reached someone in India who had no clue and they told us to call another number that ended up being in Toronto, Ontario, Canada! Could they have gotten further away from L.A.?

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                                                                #15.1 - Fri Sep 19, 2008 3:44 PM EDT
                                                                {"commentId":3009579,"authorDomain":"CatrinainCA"}

                                                                O'Hare is a nightmare...period!

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                                                                  #15.2 - Fri Sep 19, 2008 6:13 PM EDT
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                                                                  {"commentId":3007201,"authorDomain":"jimv960"}

                                                                  We wanted deregulated airlines,we got them!
                                                                  We wanted a deregulated finincial sector,we got it. Now the poor people are waking up to the fact that they've been
                                                                  screwed......and the rich fly in their Gulfstream V jets, laughing
                                                                  their butts off. Time for the poor,tattooed,and obese to wake up.
                                                                  Self-regulation means NO regulation.

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                                                                  Reply#16 - Fri Sep 19, 2008 3:31 PM EDT
                                                                  {"commentId":3049325,"authorDomain":"wanglu"}

                                                                  LOL. So very true!

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                                                                    #16.1 - Mon Sep 22, 2008 7:50 PM EDT
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                                                                    {"commentId":3007253,"authorDomain":"gkorkin"}

                                                                    To improve service do the little things they are supposed to do:
                                                                    Begin boarding on time, then they do not have to rush people when it is their fault they are not in the seats.
                                                                    Be sure passengers are not bringing on packages they know will not fit. Stop them at the door, not when they have crowded the aisle.
                                                                    Be sure seats are upright on takeoff and landings. Safety, right?
                                                                    Be sure gate personnel are available when a plane arrives at the gate (how many times do you have to wait).
                                                                    As for security, if you have an unopened sealed bottle (water, coke) let it through. Change the size of liquid containes to 4 oz that resemble the sizes sold by most companies (P&G, gillette, etc).

                                                                    Enough! Give us value for what they are selling and stop whining. Act as a business.

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                                                                      Reply#17 - Fri Sep 19, 2008 3:34 PM EDT
                                                                      {"commentId":3007254,"authorDomain":"alanjay44"}

                                                                      It's time to bring back government regulation of the airlines. With government regulation, fares are set by the FAA and since fares for the same route are identical, airlines are forced to compete on service. Back in the 1970s, airline travel was a pleasure. In flight service, even in coach, was very comfortable, with sufficient leg room and seat size and in flight meals were luxurious (remember filet mignon steaks cooked on board in coach? Well I do). Since the airlines wouldn't be afraid to increase their fares for fear of losing customers -- since the fares are set by the FAA -- they can cover their costs without absurd additional fees. Air travel would become civilized again, airlines would return to profitability, and we could even - gasp - return to non-stop flights between major cities.

                                                                      As we've seen in the financial sector, deregulation has been a disaster. It's been almost as bad in the airline sector.

                                                                      Bring back regulation. Time to return sanity to air travel.

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                                                                        Reply#18 - Fri Sep 19, 2008 3:34 PM EDT
                                                                        {"commentId":3007266,"authorDomain":"gkorkin"}

                                                                        To improve service do the little things they are supposed to do:
                                                                        Begin boarding on time, then they do not have to rush people when it is their fault they are not in the seats.
                                                                        Be sure passengers are not bringing on packages they know will not fit. Stop them at the door, not when they have crowded the aisle.
                                                                        Be sure seats are upright on takeoff and landings. Safety, right?
                                                                        Be sure gate personnel are available when a plane arrives at the gate (how many times do you have to wait).
                                                                        As for security, if you have an unopened sealed bottle (water, coke) let it through. Change the size of liquid containes to 4 oz that resemble the sizes sold by most companies (P&G, gillette, etc).

                                                                        Enough! Give us value for what they are selling and stop whining. Act as a business.

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                                                                          Reply#19 - Fri Sep 19, 2008 3:35 PM EDT
                                                                          {"commentId":3007299,"authorDomain":"lib-online"}

                                                                          What do passengers want? We want to be treated like real people; I'm not expecting personal service unless I pay for it, but basic human dignity would be nice. We want seats we can sit in without endangering our backs, circulatory systems (deep vein thrombosis concerns), and general health (air and water quality on board). We want fares that don't nickel and dime us to death. We want posted schedules that are realistic representations of when we will reach our destinations and / or make our connecting flights. Charging for checked baggage is crazy. It's just creating more chaos on board. And I'm in a situation that for medical reasons I have to carry extra liquids when I travel more than a couple of days; with the 3-ounce restrictions for carry-ons, I don't really have choice about whether to check my main bag.

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                                                                            Reply#20 - Fri Sep 19, 2008 3:37 PM EDT
                                                                            {"commentId":3007421,"authorDomain":"ih-nc-obama"}

                                                                            It takes a lot of money to satisfy a culture that is obsessed with getting everything it wants. Hopefully next time we enter a period of prosperity, more people will save for hard times like these instead of buying Cadillac Escalades and eating sushi every night.

                                                                            Rising airfare is just another sign that the bill for all the years of living beyond our means and ignoring the reality of scarcity is finally due.

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                                                                            Reply#21 - Fri Sep 19, 2008 3:43 PM EDT
                                                                            {"commentId":3007465,"authorDomain":"ericsubscribe"}

                                                                            Put in real consumer protections

                                                                            1. If you are on the tarmack for more than one hour return to the terminal
                                                                            2. Issue refund for tickets if notified befor 72 hours or give us a method to sell the ticket
                                                                            3. Reasonable bagage fee
                                                                            4. Stop nickle and diming us
                                                                            5. Speed up check in.
                                                                            6. Allow me to give my ticket to some one else
                                                                            7. Properly publish your prices
                                                                            8. Be on time
                                                                            9. Understand that the passenger is the customer
                                                                            10. Implement real security solutions not BS like take your shoes off, or you can only have X number ounce of a shampoo.

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                                                                            Reply#22 - Fri Sep 19, 2008 3:46 PM EDT
                                                                            {"commentId":3007563,"authorDomain":"qudrcps"}

                                                                            OH NO!!!!! do I hear that dreaded term, REGULATION??????!!!!!

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                                                                              #22.1 - Fri Sep 19, 2008 3:51 PM EDT
                                                                              {"commentId":3007714,"authorDomain":"RRWineGuy"}

                                                                              I do agree that you should be able to give your ticket to someone else. We are in the computer age. Tickets are all electronic now. This should/could be a simple and FEE-FREE process.

                                                                              I too, am tired of the surprise fees. Fuel surcharges, airport taxes, connection fees. . . the DOT should clean this up. I should be able to ask a computer or an employee for an exact quote. Baggage and meal charges not included, of course.

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                                                                                #22.2 - Fri Sep 19, 2008 4:01 PM EDT
                                                                                {"commentId":3008172,"authorDomain":"gordonpaisley"}

                                                                                are you willing to pay for all this?
                                                                                These things are not free.
                                                                                Given how much people love Southwest (and the low fares they drive), I'm not sure you're willing to pay for these. They don't do all these things.

                                                                                Keep in mind that some of these (ticket changes and security) belong to the government, and after all the monda-morning quarterbacks on 9/11 security, don't think those will change anytime soon.

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                                                                                  #22.3 - Fri Sep 19, 2008 4:33 PM EDT
                                                                                  {"commentId":3008436,"authorDomain":"ericsubscribe"}

                                                                                  I am more than happly to pay for the above, as I already am. If I am stuck on the tarmac for hours upon hours then I am wasting my time which is worth money also.

                                                                                  I do not care about the bagage fee, if i want to bring on 20 bags I should pay for them, if someone else wants to then they should also. I expect the airlines to handle this properly and promptly.

                                                                                  As for the ticket charges(for security) this is the bigest joke of all. The airlines used to be responsible for this. They conned the government into picking this up and charging us a separate line item which they can now claim they are not responsible for.

                                                                                  And if this means regulation then so be it. The airlines did this to themselves.

                                                                                  I love all the supposed business people who are all anti government then when they screw up they go crying to the gov for more money.

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                                                                                    #22.4 - Fri Sep 19, 2008 4:53 PM EDT
                                                                                    {"commentId":3009406,"authorDomain":"laurelnicole"}

                                                                                    Number 10 is regulated by TSA. NOT the airlines.

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                                                                                      #22.5 - Fri Sep 19, 2008 6:00 PM EDT
                                                                                      {"commentId":3598429,"authorDomain":"loneagain2000"}

                                                                                      idiont that is tsa not the airlines READ before u complain the airlines have no responsablity for the tsa telling u that u have to take ur shoes off

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                                                                                        #22.6 - Mon Oct 20, 2008 8:17 PM EDT
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                                                                                        {"commentId":3007496,"authorDomain":"qudrcps"}

                                                                                        "We realize that in order for us to regain that brand recognition and the customer loyalty that we used to own in the '80s and '90s, we ought to do something very dramatic and different," said Mark Mitchell, American's managing director of customer experience.

                                                                                        What is wrong in this picture??? It's this "Managing Director of Customer Experience". It sounds like Microsoft and their OOBE - "Out of Box Experience".

                                                                                        I did drugs, and I did Hendrix - now that was an EXPERIENCE...

                                                                                        But somehow these Bozo's miss that it's about Customer SERVICE... And until they get that mindset, and give TRUE prices, rather than getting $3, $5, $10, and $25 to death, they will atrophy and die...

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                                                                                          Reply#23 - Fri Sep 19, 2008 3:48 PM EDT
                                                                                          {"commentId":3007505,"authorDomain":"trkstr05"}

                                                                                          I fly Southwest and only southwest. I always have a good experience, hands down. I fly almost once a week and would kill my self if I had to fly on American. the people are rude and the fares are terrible. Southwest seems to honestly care about whether or not you fly with them again and that is a rare quality in any industry these days.

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                                                                                            Reply#24 - Fri Sep 19, 2008 3:48 PM EDT
                                                                                            {"commentId":3007810,"authorDomain":"cc1824-1"}

                                                                                            I totally agree with you I love them they are my favorite to fly with. i love landing early and leaving on time.

                                                                                            Once we even had to switch planes with them when one broke but we still left 10 mins late and landed early.

                                                                                            CC

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                                                                                              #24.1 - Fri Sep 19, 2008 4:07 PM EDT
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                                                                                              {"commentId":3007520,"authorDomain":"michael-snater"}
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                                                                                              {"commentId":3007595,"authorDomain":"RRWineGuy"}

                                                                                              Frankly, For the most part, I believe the customers are getting what they demand. All the internet sites are geared to shop for the lowest fare. If an airline charges even fifty cents more than a competitor, he goes to the bottom of the list of options - if he appears on the screen at all. We can not have great service at fares that have not increased in years.

                                                                                              Look at American Airlines. Several years ago they went with their "More Room Throughout Coach" promotion. Customers complain because seats are cramped. American was the only airline to do this. Did they win customers from their competitors. No, not even charging the same fare!

                                                                                              I read these gripes, and I wonder if passengers expect their shoes shines, their necks massaged and their kids burped. Phil Graham would have been more correct when he said we are a nation of whiners if he had been discussing airline passengers and not citizens is this economy.

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                                                                                                Reply#26 - Fri Sep 19, 2008 3:54 PM EDT
                                                                                                {"commentId":3008190,"authorDomain":"gordonpaisley"}

                                                                                                Well Said!

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                                                                                                  #26.1 - Fri Sep 19, 2008 4:35 PM EDT
                                                                                                  {"commentId":3008545,"authorDomain":"ericsubscribe"}

                                                                                                  I love the way the airlines are acting like victims like they do not deserve what they get. Just look at what they did to their partners, the travel agents, who helped them sell tickets, aided passengers. The airlines couldn't wait to screw them over by going to the internet. So they get what they deserve.

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                                                                                                    #26.2 - Fri Sep 19, 2008 5:00 PM EDT
                                                                                                    {"commentId":3008924,"authorDomain":"carryon"}

                                                                                                    Airlines made price the consumer's biggest purchasing consideration when they introduced a pricing scheme that allows the same ticket to be sold for wildly different prices.

                                                                                                    They created urgency by saying, "Buy your tickets quick and early or the price will go up. You'll get the same service as people who have to pay a higher price for delaying their travel decision." This, of course, was done in an effort to better forecast sales. They needed to fill up those seats each and every time in order to stay in business, so there was value in early discounting the first tickets sold as long as the later ones were more expensive to ensure an average price per ticket.

                                                                                                    Now the airlines are turning on the same customers they trained to purchase airline tickets in this way by placing travelers with discounted tickets at a lower priority.

                                                                                                    There are other methods they could have chosen to create urgency among travelers from the beginning that would have de-emphasized price and highlighted service differentiation. The truth is that once you begin to engage in a price war, you become viewed as a commodity by consumers.

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                                                                                                      #26.3 - Fri Sep 19, 2008 5:26 PM EDT
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